The New Cyber War Explained - This is Not a Drill with Gavin Estler

You can say this adversary is a cyber threat. At the same time, you can have, improving economic relations with them. I don't think we should be so binary about these things. In some ways, the report calls out some of the hostile activity from a number of states and other actors, and shows that you can do that whilst maintaining diplomatic relations ... I wonder if the political understanding of cyber issues is there. I wonder if that political will is there?"