Ukraine's potential security guarantees, explained

They need a lot interceptors because actually one of the tactics, that has sort of turned into a strategy of Russia, is saturate Ukrainian air defence, then they use all of their interceptors and then that leaves them potentially vulnerable. And also, you know from a European perspective, that Putin will go again. So as a minimum it's arms and ammunition, then it's really at least the same level of support, perhaps greater in terms of intelligence cooperation."