John Pienaar with Times Radio Drive: Arctic and High North

The issue on the UK side is the availability to actually lead, as we say that we have aspirations to do so, where [we] now command NATO operations in the Arctic and High North. So if you’re in those command positions, you then need the capabilities to back that up. Critically, [to] show leadership against other allies when other allies are making these decisions [and] having greater availability of capabilities, it looks a little hollow when we say, ‘Well, we’ll lead,’ but we don’t necessarily have the capabilities to be able to do that.